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Wednesday, 21 March 2007
One of our users, AJ Doyle, wrote eNom today regarding some of his domain which RegisterFly mishandled. His domain, despite having been paid for in full for two years, fell into the redemtion grace period.  eNom, in their view, is meeting registrants halfway on this situation by offering retrieval from RGP status for $9.99, plus a renewal fee of $9.99. They feel they are doing enough.

HOWEVER: This editor has read the eNom reseller agreement and that agreement holds the RESELLER accountable for any and all fees incurred in rectifying mistakes. It was [b]registerfly's[/b] responsibility to ensure that these domains were handled properly, so eNom should be holding REGIERFLY responsible for correcting these gaffs, not the registrant.

On top of that, it has to be proven by the registrant that these domains were in fact renewed. For many registrants, the record will consist of transaction reports at RegisterFly. While I cannot speak for all RegisterFly customers, I can tell you that my account absolutely, positively does not include all of the transactions my company has conducted with RegisterFly. Our AmEx bill will certainly show charges with RegisterFly, but the credit card bill does not reflect transaction details; simply the name on the merchant account processor, date, time and amount of the transaction(s) in question. eNom could argue that it was not the domain in question which was the subject of that transaction.

While $9.99 is certainly cheaper than the $160 eNom normally charges, it still amounts to extortion, especially since their reseller agreement very clearly holds the RESELLER responsible for such fees, not the registrant.

Here are two emails from the conversation AJ Doyle had with Elida Flores of eNom. He considers it to be an open letter to eNom, to be shared with existing and potential customers of eNom.

From: AJ Doyle [mailto:ajshatemail(|@|)gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:17 AM
To: Elida Flores
Cc: admin(|@|)registerflies.com; paul_levins(|@|)icann.org
Subject: An Open Letter to eNom, inc.

Dear Elida:
 
I understand that your company, eNom, inc., is in business to make money.  I would imagine very few are in business not to make money.  I also understand that Unified Names, inc. d/b/a Registerfly.com, inc. was in business to make money.  As a customer, I paid Registerfly.com for a service; the service being Domain Name Registration.  Registerfly.com, inc., as a customer of eNom.com, inc. paid you for the renewal service.
 
I understand how all of this works, and I know that policy is policy.  My understanding of this issue is that Registerfly.com, inc. and its owner, Kevin Medina, failed to provide payment to eNom.com, inc. for domain renewal services which led to many Registerfly.com customers losing their domain names as a result.
 
Is it the policy of eNom, inc. to only accept payments for domain name renewal for a year at a time, or was it Registerfly.com, inc.'s policy to only remit payment for renewals one year at a time?  I am concerned about this because my domain ( coolerthanyou.org) was registered for a period of two (2) calendar years through what I now understand to be eNom, inc. by way of reseller (at the time) Registerfly.com, inc.  The part that I cannot understand, I was hoping that you may be able to shed some light on this, is why registerfly.com didn't forward this payment for the entire registration period once they received it from me.  In a world where premium domain names can be backordered and automatically renewed as soon as they are "dropped" wouldn't a company find it to be in their best interest to make sure their customer gets what they pay for?
 
Due to Registerfly.com, inc.'s actions (or lack thereof) my domain is in what is called Redemption Grace Period (RGP).  I can assure you that I am not the only Registerfly.com customer that has this issue.  I have attempted to research RGP to see how long this period lasts and have not been able to find an answer to that.  Could you help me to better understand the process so that I may share that knowledge with others in my situation?
 
I am also aware that there is a fee involved to reclaim a domain name from RGP and that again, eNom.com, inc. is in business to make money, but I ask you on behalf of every former and/or current registerfly.com customer that a special, one time "forgiveness", or even discounted rate be given to registerfly.com customers trapped with no way to reclaim the domains that they registered.  I am sure you can see how this would have a positive effect on the reputation of eNom.com as well as the former Registerfly.com customers.  I know from reading everything I possibly can that is related to this issue, eNom has in fact helped many former Registerfly.com customers, who, in turn, have become eNom.com customers.
 
I am sure that many of the customers in my situation would find this offer more than appealing and become eNom.com customers.
I did not major in Business Administration, but it makes sense to me that:
 
More Customers = More Money
 
After all, eNom.com, inc. is in business to make money, is it not?
 
I would like to thank you very much for your time and I look forward to hearing your input on this situation!
 
Respectfully,
 
 
AJ Doyle
 

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marginally entertaining and somewhat funny...
www.coolerthanyou.org
Check it out!!!!!
Actually, the domain has been replaced with a parking page.  I have no ability to change this.
This parking page is in no way affiliated with myself or coolerthanyou.org.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Elida Flores <elida.flores(|@|)enom.com>
Date: Mar 20, 2007 9:43 PM
Subject: RE: An Open Letter to eNom, inc.
To: AJ Doyle <ajshatemail(|@|)gmail.com>

AJ,
 
Thank you for the email. Sorry to hear that your domain coolerthanyou.org  was not renewed by Registerfly and is now in redemption status. We are prepared to assist as best we can. In regards to the fee that you paid to Registerfly for the renewal, you may consider contacting your credit card company (if you paid via credit card) to see if you have recourse for the fee made and service not delivered.
 
In regards to your domain in redemption status, we can offer you a discounted rate being that the domain is in Extended Redemption status. The fee to recover the domain would be a $9.99 restoration redemption fee plus a renewal fee of $9.99, for a total of $19.98. To take advantage of this discount rate, simply email verification that you attempted to pay Registerfly for the service but the domain was not renewed. Allow us 4 business days to complete the request and we will be able to restore the domain using the credit card on file in your account.
For general reference:
Domains are typically allowed a 30 day renewal grace period to be restored, during which time they may be restored for the regular renewal fee. After the 30 day renewal grace period, a domain enters into redemption status for an additional period of 35 days, at this time domains are restorable for $160 ( a $80 redemption discount applies for those that can verify that they attempted to renew with Registerfly but were unable). After the additional 35 redemption period, the domain may either go into Extended Redemption ( in which case it is held for a longer period of time) or it may go into Pending Deletion ( in which case the domain would be placed into the open market within 5 days). Where possible eNom has tried to place an Extended Redemption on domains, so that Registerfly customers may have more time to restore their domains. In order to place the domain into Extended Redemption requires that we pay the Registry another year for the domain. Domains showing in Extended Redemption can be recovered, for Registerfly customers at $19.98, provided that the customer can verify that they attempted to renew the domain prior to expiration. This fee will add a full year of registration to the domain, plus anytime remaining on the WHOIS record. For domains that enter Pending Deletion, those domains are placed back into the open market and must be registered as new names once they are released.
 
Hope this info helps in clarifying the situation.
 
elida flores    |    business development
__________________________________
eNom, Inc., a Demand Media company
Direct: 425.274.4500 x4262
Fax: 425.952.0794
15801 NE 24th St.
Bellevue, WA 98008
elida (|@|)enom.com

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sysadmin - eNom - True Lies p1/2 Registered | 2007-03-21 03:09:06
eNom - True Lies p1/2
Please forgive me for the length of this post but it gives you an insight into what's going on in eNom. It's my communication line regarding the $160 extortion fee. It has two parts, read them together bottom to top as in an email dialogue.

=================================

From: [Customer Name Removed]
Sent: 20 March 2007 20:11
To: 'Customer Support'; 'paul.stahura@enom.com'; 'pr@enom.com'
Subject: RE: [eNom Legal Doc Number Removed]

No way Michael? Really?!? Then how do you respond to the following email from Elida?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elida Flores [mailto:elida.flores@enom.com]
> Sent: 14 March 2007 029
> To: [Customer Name Removed]
> Subject: RE: RegisterFly Hijack - Migration per your Instructions
>
> [Customer Name Removed],
>
> The domain [domain-in-question.com] expired with registerfly on 10/14/2006, it
> was unfortunately not renewed.
>
> Luckily the domain is recoverable. While the redemption rate is $160, if
> you can provide verification that you attempted to pay Registerfly for
> the domain but the domain was not renewed by them, then we can submit a
> request to have the domain restored at the rate of $50.
> [Irrelevant content removed]
>
> elida flores | business development
> __________________________________
> eNom, Inc., a Demand Media company

If there is no way to get around this, then why did she offer to do this for $50? WHY? BECAUSE YOU ARE BEING GREEDY, STUBBORN, AND UNETHICAL!!!!

For those who haven’t are not aware of Michael’s sense of customer service, retention, and business development, I quote him in an email to me “If you do not like our services you are more than welcome to transfer everything to another registrar”

Do you have ANY idea how bad this is making you look on www.registerflies.com? I can see where RegisterFly got their sense of customer service.

It’s not about the money, it’s the principal (something you obviously lack.)

[Customer Name Removed]

-----Original Message-----
From: Customer Support [mailto:customersupport@enom.com]
Sent: 20 March 2007 19:38
To: [Customer Email Removed]
Subject: RE: [eNom Legal Doc Number Removed]

Hello,

In regards to this domain seeing as it has gone into redemption in order to get it back there would be the redemption fee that is associated with this domain. Unfortunately there is no way to get around this fee please let me know if you would like to renew at this fee.

Thank You,

Michael Gravelle | Business Development

-----Original Message-----
From: [Customer Name Removed]
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 121 PM
To: Legal; ombudsman@icann.org
Subject: RE: [eNom Legal Doc Number Removed]

The domain was moved into my account once. I saw it there several times and Elida confirmed it via her email. I went to renew it before RGP but could not as it disappeared. eNom waited FIVE days and it took several follow-up emails only to respond with a request for $160 for what was $9.99. I am not arguing with RGP but Michael's response pointing the finger at ICANN's policy completely ignored the context of this issue.

What is completely unacceptable is that eNom's "customer support" and "business development" departments completely ignored my emails until after the domain went into RGP. It was eNom's delay that caused the renewal fee to go from $9.99 to $160. That's a 16 times increase to NO FAULT of my own. There's proof that I contacted eNom before RGP below!

To delay responding then tell me that I missed the renewal deadline and must pay $160 is unethical, greedy, and in bad faith.

To not have already resolved this based on goodwill and proper corporate ethics is completely shortsighted and only perpetuates the misfortunes already brought upon tens of thousands of RegisterFly domain holders (many of which are with you as their former supplier.)

Flabbergasted,
[Customer Name Removed]


-----Original Message-----
From: Legal [mailto:legal@enom.com]
Sent: 19 March 2007 16:28
To: ombudsman@icann.org; [Customer Name Removed]
Subject: RE: [eNom Legal Doc Number Removed]

Thank you for your email. This is being forwarded to our support escalation group dealing with Registerfly issues on the eNom platform. They will address your issue at their first available opportunity.

Regards,

christine graf | director, risk management


-----Original Message-----
From: ICANN Ombudsman [mailto:ombudsman@icann.org]
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 11:10 AM
To: [Customer Name Removed]
Subject: [eNom Legal Doc Number Removed]

Dear [Customer Name Removed],

I am writing to you to advise that I have referred the matter of your
complaint to the Office of the Ombudsman to the appropriate service groups
at both registerfly and Enom for their consideration.

[Irrelevant content removed]

I will be asking registerfly and Enom to advise me of the actions they have
taken with respect to your complaint.


Best regards,

Frank Fowlie

-----Original Message-----
From: [Customer Name Removed]
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 2:50 PM
To: 'Customer Care'
Subject: RE: RegisterFly Hijack - Migration per your Instructions

Nice way to hide behind some bogus response. Your delays in response and
greedy, advantageous attempts to extort these fees from former RegisterFly
customers is absolutely unacceptable and people are being very vocal about
this fact on www.registerflies.com. The moment I can, I will be moving my
domains away from your company. Obviously, the RegisterFly apple doesn't
fall far from the eNom tree. Well done "business development", well done...

-----Original Message-----
From: Customer Care [mailto:customercare@enom.com]
Sent: 15 March 2007 21:51
To: [Customer Name Removed]
Subject: RE: RegisterFly Hijack - Migration per your Instructions

please visit http://registrar.verisign-grs.com/whois/faq.html you will note
by the registry that ICANN sets the rules of a domain going into Redemption

Thank You,

Michael Gravelle | Business Development

-----Original Message-----
From: [Customer Name Removed]
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:18 AM
To: Elida Flores; Info; sales
Subject: RE: RegisterFly Hijack - Migration per your Instructions

RESPOND! [Irrelevant content removed]

[Customer Name Removed]

-----Original Message-----
From: [Customer Name Removed]
Sent: 12 March 2007 07:19
To: 'Elida Flores'
Subject: RE: RegisterFly Hijack - Migration per your Instructions

I would like a response.

-----Original Message-----
From: [Customer Name Removed]
Sent: 09 March 2007 00:12
To: 'Elida Flores'
Subject: RE: RegisterFly Hijack - Migration per your Instructions

Elida,

I'm travelling in Africa on business and it's already midnight. I've been
trying to resolve this before COB your time but I have not heard a response
to this email or the ticket I submitted and I can't stay up forever.

To summarize, you already moved this domain into my account once. I was
going to renew the domains (see order [order id removed]) but the domain
[domain-in-question.com] was no longer visible. I have proved to you, as
requested, that I own the domain via my last email.

Given these facts, I need the domain [domain-in-question.com] restored to my
account under the expired status for $9.99 so I can renew this ASAP. If it
goes into RGP I must be granted an additional day to renew this at the
normal price given that something within eNom removed this account from my
domain after you had already added to my account.

Please do not continue trying to extort $160 from me. I've already lost a
LOT more money than that from RegisterFly YOUR former poster child reseller
who has already caused irrevocable damage to my business and finances. Fix
this last domain and I will one step closer to forever ridding myself of
RegisterFly.

[Customer Name Removed]
kimvette Administrator | 2007-03-21 12:00:48
You need to email ICANN and make them aware of eNom's mishandling of domains. They are supposed to be helping to solve problems arising from their rogue reseller, not introducing additional problems.

IMHO eNom will be the next registrar to go down.
sysadmin - eNom - True Lies p2/2 Registered | 2007-03-21 03:07:58
eNom - True Lies p2/2
=================================
-----Original Message-----
From: [Customer Name Removed]
Sent: 08 March 2007 22:27
To: 'Elida Flores'
Subject: RE: RegisterFly Hijack - Migration per your Instructions

Elida,

This was already moved into my eNom account as YOU should be able to tell
from YOUR own email reply where YOU confirmed these domains were moved into
my account. It was listed under my expired domains list up until yesterday
and now I cannot renew it.

As further proof, seeing as your own words and email aren't enough, I have
attached an email from RegisterFly confirming that I own this account.

I have copied our legal department and am signing this email for
authenticity to prove that I have been attempting to renew this domain
BEFORE the RGP period.

Please restore this domain so I can renew it.

[Customer Name Removed]

-----Original Message-----
From: Elida Flores [mailto:elida.flores@enom.com]
Sent: 08 March 2007 19:43
To: [Customer Name Removed]
Subject: RE: RegisterFly Hijack - Migration per your Instructions

Do you have a way to verify that you are the owner of the domain, via a
registerfly screenshot? If so , we may be able to recover it. The fee to do
so would be $160


elida flores | business development

-----Original Message-----
From: [Customer Name Removed]
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 1:30 AM
To: Elida Flores
Subject: RE: RegisterFly Hijack - Migration per your Instructions

Elida,

[domain-in-question.com] disappeared from my eNom account and RegisterFly account.
Where did it go? You, well eNom, is still listed as the registrar in the
Network Solutions WhoIs database. I'm trying to renew domains but can't find
this one. Thanks in advance.

[Customer Name Removed]

-----Original Message-----
From: Elida Flores [mailto:elida.flores@enom.com]
Sent: 27 February 2007 19:22
To: [Customer Name Removed]
Subject: RE: RegisterFly Hijack - Migration per your Instructions

The domains are now in your enom account and the renwal, provided that the
domains are within the renewal grace period is $9.99

elida flores | business development


-----Original Message-----
From: [Customer Name Removed]
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 12:15 AM
To: Customer Care
Subject: RegisterFly Hijack - Migration per your Instructions

eNom,

[Irrelevant content removed]

Anyway, the following domains were registered through RegisterFly and are
still in my RegisterFly account:

*********.***
[domain-in-question.com]
*********.***
*********.***

As per http://www.enom.com/migrate/faq.asp, you should be able to move these
into my eNom account (eNom login: [Username removed]). Can you? Will it be $9.99
per domain? Will I be refunded for domains that do not migrate?
If the answer is yes to all three, then I'm interested in having this done.

Kind Regards,
[Customer Name Removed]
aj.doyle - I agree that it is still extor Registered | 2007-03-21 06:38:15
But how long would we have to wait if they decided to charge The Fly for all of these miscues. They wont even give us transfer codes to get our domains out. I still have a few domains with RF that I will continue to fight tooth and nail to get back.

The coolerthanyou.org domain was my personal domain I am relieved to have it back and $19.98 is what I am willing to pay for peace of mind. The $9.99 plus $9.99 for another year of registry is much less than the $160.00. I am taking the offer so that I can be halfway done with this mess.

I think we will need to hunker down for the long haul here - if this goes into a legal process, it could take forever.

Fight the good fight, RFugees!

AJ Doyle
sysadmin - re: I agree that it is still e Registered | 2007-03-21 07:49:26
aj.doyle wrote:
I am relieved to have it back and $19.98 is what I am willing to pay for peace of mind.


$19.98 is COMPLETELY reasonable but they haven't offered that to me yet. eNom where are you? Why are you extorting former customers? Why have you not offered me $19.98 when my clase is so clear cut?
aj.doyle - I believe this applies to all Registered | 2007-03-21 08:25:26
From what I read in the email, this is an offer for all Registerfly customers that have had this happen.

I would send the screenshots requested in the above email and reference the email to hold them to their word
servertransfert - Enom offer reasonable & logic Registered | 2007-03-21 10:20:03
I can only say that Enom correctly saved all my domains they could after the registerfly meltdown in february.
A lot of other people envie you that there is a opportunity to save a domain for only 20$ !!!!
kimvette Administrator | 2007-03-21 12:06:12
They did for me, except for one domain that they wanted $160 to pull out of redemption. We raised holy Hell with RegisterFly when the domain disappeared from our account on 12-may-2006.

When eNom told me they needed $160 to pull it out of redemption I told them to keep the domain. If they use it we can nail them to the wall for trademark infringement.

As soon as our domains have hit 60 days with them, we are transferring them out to dotster or godaddy.

eNom can go to Hell as far as I am concerned. Behind the scenes they are a big part of what happened with RegisterFly. Granted, the biggest reason was that Kevin Medina is a prick, but eNom should have had regisrtrants' concerns at heart rather than spiting Kevin Medina.
Phoenix - It is extortion. Registered | 2007-03-21 10:29:58
avatar Any money, even $20 that is paid out to eNom to recover domain names that they were responsible to renew, is extortion. They failed to do their duty. They should follow through with their own agreement, and get the money out of RegisterFly. The bitch of it is, they probably realize that getting money of of RF is like getting blood out of a rock. It won't happen.
nicola - Don't Give Up! Registered | 2007-03-21 15:15:01
Many people still suffering trying to get there domains out. If you haven't had a chance to read all the forum posts here's some quick tips that might help (if any of you have more tips...post them too, we all need to help each other get through this).

1. TUCOWS: Look at your domain in whois.sc if the registrar says TUCOWS or OPENSRS instead of Registerfly then you can get help - just call tucows at 1-800-371-6992 (hold time about 30 mins but you will get through - trying going thru sales dept) or you can emailing them at compliance@tucows.org or compliance@opensrs.org (ask them to push your domains into your management with a free opensrs account or to give you auth codes so you can transfer).

2. ENOM: Look at your domain in whois.sc if the registrar says ENOM instead of Registerfly then you can get help - just call eNom at 425.274.4500 or you can emailing them at customersupport@ enom.com or elida@enom.com (ask them to push your domains into your management with a free enom account or to unlock and give auth codes so you can transfer).

3. If your Whois data does show registerfly. First try to unlock domains in system, try to change whois info admin email if you need to, get your auth code from the system (this forum gives instructions on where to find your auth code here http://www.registerflies.com/registerfly-faq-section/how-to-get-authorization-code-2.html). If you can unlock and have your auth code try transferring via any registrar of your choice (i recommend mydomain as they have a $5 transfer special for registerflies folks, coupon code 'registerflies' at http://www.mydomain.com/reginfo.php. Tip - don't give up if first transfer fails, keep re-initiating the transfers when possible some do go through on 2nd 3rd attempt with mydomain).

4. If all else fails, contact transfer-question@icann.org or ombudsman@icann.org and give them details of your issue and what you need, be sure to provide them the date you tried to contact registerfly, your issue, your domains, your register user account id and your contact information.

Best of luck to you!
dsmj - ICANN RAA Process - read & thi Registered | 2007-03-21 16:53:10
FYI

ICANN is somewhat mea culpa on this RAA.

http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-21mar07.htm

as of an hour ago.

Methinks that Registerfies is the place to post , as ICANN's public forum requested AJ pull his ENOM statement.

This was a bit of a surprise to me, AJ complied, but if Posting Issues of Policy is not suitable on PUBLIC.ICANN.ORG then WHERE?

Obviously the global recourse for relevant REGISTRAR MIS-BEHAVIOR is here! In this website. Not ICANN, not FTC,org, not anywhere is effective as this website. I know, i have spent time at them all.

Ergo ... folks we are at crossroads where grassroots are strong, so please support registerflies.com and click that Donate Button.
kimvette Administrator | 2007-03-21 22:17:14
This will be the place to air such grievances - we have some exciting developments in the works for this site.

If nothing else, by offering the continued and expanded existence of this site, we will be catching a lot of eyes and with your (every registrant's) participation we can put a lot of pressure on registrars and ICANN alike.

With that said, on blogg.icann.org Paul Levins stated that they are welcoming input for the upcoming meeting because they recognize that improvements in policy and process are essential. In asking AJ Doyle to retract his statements, are they in essence now saying that input from registrants is not welcome?

Curious.
aj.doyle Registered | 2007-03-21 23:37:59
I couldn't agree more, Kim. Apparently, since eNom is paying their $0.25 per domain "hush money" ICANN is only worried about registrars that fail to pay them. As I stated before, I really smell a rat somewhere between ICANN, eNom, and Registerfly. We will probably never know for sure if the allegations against Kevin Medina are true - I know that in our heart of hearts, we want for it to be true. Every story needs a villian, right?

We don't even know 100% if Registerfly did indeed fail to pay the money to renew our domains.

As I stated in my letter, why would a registrar take money for multiple years, and only pay for registrations one year at a time. That seems like an awful lot of overhead trying to keep straight who paid for what. eNom could be behind the whole thing because Registerfly got ICANN accreditation and eNom stood to lose a large amount of income they didn't have to do any legwork for. Seems to me that things didn't start going downhill at RF until after they got their ICANN Accred. Maybe I am just overly paranoid because of the situation and not knowing whom to believe.

We have to stick together in this. Registrars have to realize that we will not just sit back and allow them to gouge us any way they can. The eNom price of $19.98 IS extortion, however, it is low enough for me to pay them and write it off as experience.

I have my domain back - my personal fight is over, but I will not give up until every last person reading this has had their problems addressed!

AJ.
freddieb - Curious KimVette Registered | 2007-03-25 02:10:00
Well may you be curious, KimVette. If ICANN were serious about input from Registrants they would push the issue and publicize the fact.

We are in desperate need of support and guidance from ICANN and if they are not willing to provide it then we need to replace ICANN with a body that will, indeed, represent all registrants.
aj.doyle - re: ICANN RAA Process - read & Registered | 2007-03-21 19:20:31
dsmj wrote:
FYI

ICANN is somewhat mea culpa on this RAA.

http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-21mar07.htm

as of an hour ago.

Methinks that Registerfies is the place to post , as ICANN's public forum requested AJ pull his ENOM statement.

This was a bit of a surprise to me, AJ complied, but if Posting Issues of Policy is not suitable on PUBLIC.ICANN.ORG then WHERE?

Obviously the global recourse for relevant REGISTRAR MIS-BEHAVIOR is here! In this website. Not ICANN, not FTC,org, not anywhere is effective as this website. I know, i have spent time at them all.

Ergo ... folks we are at crossroads where grassroots are strong, so please support registerflies.com and click that Donate Button.


I complied with their request because of what they do on the ICANN blog. Anything they deem inapropriate, they just delete.

I figure that by complying, it would at least still be there - please take my reason posted as sarcasm. ICANN is to blame for this, eNom is to blame for this. For all we know, eNom could have been setting up RF because they went out on their own. What we need to do is hound eNom to produce proof that registerfly indeed failed to remit payment.

Just because I took their offer to rescue my domain DOESN'T mean that I am done fighting. I am here to see this through to the end!

We need to discover who is to blame for this and we need a full report from ICANN as to why this happened and what they intend to do in the future to prevent this from ever happening.

I for one am ready to submit a vote of no confidence in ICANN and demand that another authority be put it place to oversee this. One that has a strong system of checks and balances to prevent things like this from ever happeneing again.

SHAME ON YOU ICANN!
dsmj - I hear ya Publisher | 2007-03-23 01:29:34
I think ICANN should specify to thier authority ( the govt agency they report to ) the needs and specifics of accreditation and process enforcement.

They didnt do that - we have this problem, and they are smart enough to know that eventually out of the 850 registrar accreditations they handed out, that at least a few would require a leash and some would abuse those that were required by circumstance to trust the system.

It is most definitely the product of incomplete reasoning and execution.

I dont think ICANN should change their charter purpose much, but i do think they should have GLOBAL accountability at this time and active enforcement from a better equipped agency, rather than persist in passing the buck.

Its thier own fault that the world regards ICANN as a fat happy country club.
aaronc Registered | 2007-03-23 02:48:00
Is it extortion? Sure. But idealism aside, if the domain is important to you... just pay it and xfer your domain someplace else. By the time this mess is settled with ICANN your domain will be long gone. Keep documentation so if it settles in your favor you might be able to get a refund.
sysadmin - re: Registered | 2007-03-23 05:10:53
aaronc wrote:
Is it extortion? Sure. But idealism aside, if the domain is important to you... just pay it and xfer your domain someplace else.


eNom counts on people having this attitude. Make a stink. DO NOT just roll over and let eNom give it to you sans vaseline.
masri - eNom Registered | 2007-03-23 03:11:19
I think I have managed to recover my domains; all were registered with eNom, and Elida made the process relatively painless. So, I thank her for that.

On one of my domains, I had paid Registerfly for 10 years of registration. That domain was in redemption at eNom. The redemption fee was $160, then $80, then $19.98. I paid the $19.98 & got my domain back, but I lost the 10 years of registration. These renewal fees were paid in 12/04, long before Registerfly started falling apart. I asked flat out if eNom was not paid the money that Registerfly collected from me, but she would not respond to this question.

This "redemption" fee that eNom is collecting feels like someone has grabbed the knife that was previously plunged into your back, and they're now turning it. Let's just make the poor Registerfly guys wince a bit more.

I have completely lost faith in the entire domain name registration system, and ICANN in particular. I'm not sure what the procedure is to have this system overhauled. Do we write to our congressmen?

- Adam
aj.doyle - Re:eNom Registered | 2007-03-23 08:58:01
I am not sure who can help us. The internet is indeed worldwide, so it doesn't really fall under any one government's jurisdiction. I have absolutely no faith in ICANN and I do not believe them to be the least bit concerned about any of our best interests. If they were, they would have acted when they had a stack of complaints - they WOULD NOT have waited until Registerfly stopped coughing up their fee of $.25 per domain.

All of those quarters add up. They had to cut a course from their menu for this conference in Lisbon - They might also lose a few of the ice sculptures that they had planned (from what I have heard)

All I can say is don't expect too much help from ICANN short of making sure they get that quarter they were owed from Registerfly from some other registrar. Don't try to use their "Public" blog as a "Platform to address your own agenda" either.

They believe that ignorance is bliss. At the end of the day, they think by making an example of Registerfly - by pulling their accreditation - that all of our problems are going to go away.

The problems aren't going away ICANN. You compounded the problem. "We're doing the best we can" isn't good enough. If I told one of my clients that I was "Doing the best I can" and taking months to solve their problem, they wouldn't be a client of mine.

Unfortunately, we don't have that choice - we are stuck with the hand we were dealt. We trusted that they system was in place and that the system worked to prevent these types of things from happening.

This is why I was more than happy to provide $19.98 to get my domain back. The system HAS failed, IS still failing, and WILL continue to fail.

AJ
masri - How is ICANN funded? Registered | 2007-03-23 13:35:48
If we want to get to the bottom of this, then I s'pose the place to start is, where does ICANN get its funding? Follow the money, and we may be able to force changes. Since ICANN has a location in California,

http://www.icann.org/general/contact.htm

then maybe I should start there with my state senators.

- Adam
freddieb - ICANN Funding Registered | 2007-03-25 02:17:53
Well, Adam, you are lucky that, at least, ICANN is situated in USA.

For us mere mortals who are not of USA origin it is much harder. Other countries do not have such representation and whomever decided that USA should have control needs to be taken to task and declare that wider representation is much needed.

USA is imperialistic in most fields, but needs to understand that the USA is not the be all and end all of the whole world and its operations.

Give some opinion to the rest of the World, USA. You may be rich and powerful, but you are not humane and understanding.
sysadmin - Stay on Target Registered | 2007-03-25 07:25:41
freddieb wrote:
USA is imperialistic in most fields, but needs to understand that the USA is not the be all and end all of the whole world and its operations.

Give some opinion to the rest of the World, USA. You may be rich and powerful, but you are not humane and understanding.


Let's stay on target and not turn this into a political argument. America's policies, regardless of how simplistic you put it, have NOTHING to do with this specific issue. If another country originated arpanet or other embryonic version of the net they'd probably be in control of domains jus the same. Remember, WIPO (the World Intellectual Property Organization) has the authority to mediate international domain disputes (http://www.wipo.int).
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