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Thursday, 22 February 2007
registerflydog-150.jpgFolks, it's been a several very long days and while we were promised some sort of statement by Registerfly, it never came.  There was supposed to be a statement provided by Registerfly to be posted on this site today and the officers of Registerfly failed to come through once again... should we be surprised? 

Registerfly could have easily put something up on their website letting customers know what's going on.  A simple message to it's users or others that land there accidentally.  As it currently stands, any innocent internet surfer unaware of the news can in fact, make unsecured purchases via the Registerfly website... without having a clue as to what's going on.  Now ICANN says it's time to fly!

Registerfly... Time to Pony Up!

Days have passed with no real response out of the mouths of the flies at Registerfly.com.  Although I was personally promised that a statement was being written to be made public via Registerflies.com, when it came time to produce Registerfly failed us once again.

It's time now Registerfly to step up to the plate and provide all of us here some answers.

ICANN's Call To Action

Today, February 21, 2007 ICANN finally did something they had previously claimed they couldn't do.

ICANN's Senior Vice President, Services, Kurt J. Pritz issued an official Notice of Breach of ICANN Registrar Accreditation Agreement to Registerfly stating: "Registerfly has 15 working days to cure the breaches described in this letter".

fan-a.gif Due to the volume of complaints submitted to ICANN, it's forced ICANN to finally step into the picture and do something they previously claimed they could not do... Issue a warning to strip that Accreditation away from Registerfly.

These breaches as you can read in the official letter include:

  • Failure to issue Authorization Codes
  • Failure to Unlock domain names
  • Failure to supply proper documentation
  • Failure to provide customer service
  • Failure to pay ICANN
  • Failure to fund registry accounts for domain names

It's was quite obvious to the customers that there were failures in every system of Registerfly and although ICANN was made aware of these failures they let it go on for more than a year.  ICANN started seeing these complaints from Registerfly customers in late 2005 and early 2006 and did very little about it.

Registerfly CEO Kevin Medina and ICANN

Kevin Medina, Registerfly's Chief Executive Officer claimed in April of 2006, to Mike Zupke of ICANN, that the failures to provide service and support to their customers was due to growing pains.  Not long after, there were complaints rolling into ICANN stating that Kevin and Registerfly were literally stealing domain names.  After a reportedly heated argument with one customer, CEO Kevin Medina allegedly changed the whois on all 220 of the customer's domain names to "Kevin Medina"... literally stealing the domains away from the customer that paid for them... but it gets worse.  ICANN simply requested documentation and after 7 full days, announced an on-site audit of the Registerfly data.  The problem was, this was just an announcement.  As you read further you'll see that this audit has never taken place.

After repeated failures of Registerfly and Kevin Medina to provide the documentation requested by ICANN, and a meeting at the Marina del Rey headquarters on June 15, 2006, ICANN still didn't do the on-site audit that Registerfly was notified of back in April of 2006.

Who Accredited ICANN?

As we are understanding this situation better every day, and after more than a year of complaints flooding into the office of ICANN, one has to wonder who Accredited ICANN?  Why has ICANN taken so long to make a move?  Why has ICANN only talked about performing an on-site audit and not taken action?  Have they ever done and on-site audit?  These are the questions going through the minds of domain name registrants around the world.

On a complaint that I had sent in to Frank Fowlie via email on January 24th:

I'm am writing in regards to Registerfly and am pleading to you that you look into their fraudulent acts of domain theft and everything else they are doing.  Please visit www.registerflies.com

We don't know how they gained the approval of ICANN because they were doing bad business with Enom prior to the Accreditation but we are asking you to investigate these issues immediately.  Just do a search on Google and you'll find nothing positive or business like about this cancerous company, supported by the ICANN Organization.  Many other letters have been sent and they are still able to continue the fraud.

This letter was forwarded to Mike Zupke and a response was received within the same day.  Here is a copy of Mr. Zupke's response:

I am very familiar with the many websites and web-forums that have sprung up over time regarding shoddy and inadequate service provided by RegisterFly. I am also familiar with the types of specific complaints ICANN receives regarding this registrar / reseller. 

Please understand, however, that ICANN is not a federal or state agency.  We do not have a general police power, nor do we have the ability to enforce laws or private contracts between registrars and registrants.  ICANN's power is derived from the Registrar Accreditation Agreements (RAAs) we hold with all accredited registrars, and as such, we can only legally require a registrar to take actions (or abstain from taking actions) that are specifically addressed in those agreements.  (You can find a copy of the agreement online at http://www.icann.org/registrars/ra-agreement-17may01.htm.) 

If you have a specific complaint about Registerfly, I would encourage you first to perform a whois search (either at www.internic.net or elsewhere) to determine whether Registerfly is the registrar of record or whether they registered the name in their capacity as a reseller for eNom, Inc.  If eNom is the registrar, you should then contact them for resolution of the issue. You can find their contact information at www.internic.net (click Registrars).  If the name is registered through Registerfly as the registrar of record, please contact Glenn Stansbury, VP of Operations for Registerfly at This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it or by phone at +1 973 909 4169.  This is his direct dial line at the Rfly office.  Although Glenn asked ICANN to provide his contact details to assist customers in resolving complaints, if you find he is not responsive or not helpful, I would strongly encourage you to consider retaining legal counsel to determine what rights you may have with regard to Registerfly's actions or inactions.  In addition, you might consider filing a complaint with the New Jersey Attorney General (where Rfly does business)and the US FTC (and the appropriate law enforcement agency if you feel there has been a violation of criminal law).  Links:

http://www.nj.gov/oag/ca/comp.htm

https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01

Of course, if you believe the matter involves a breach of the Registrar Accreditation Agreement, you should also send a copy of the complaint to ICANN via our internic registrar complaint form (at www.internic.net).  Be sure to include the affected domain name(s) as it is nearly impossible for us to research a complaint without that. 

While we cannot resolve individual complaints due to the volume we receive, we do use the data collected through the registrar problem report form to take compliance action as appropriate.  Such action could include de-accreditation, assuming the circumstances warrant such action under the RAA.  Unfortunately, letters like yours below, which do not include any actionable specifics or domain names, are not particularly helpful to our compliance efforts, nor would they be particularly helpful to resolution of your specific complaint.  I appreciate your frustration; we just need greater detail.

Thank you for taking the time to write to ICANN about your concerns.  I hope you find this information helpful.  Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Best regards,

Mike Zupke

Registrar Liaison Manager

Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers

You can find the entire correspondence back and forth at this link: ICANN CORRESPONDENCE

Who's to blame?

So who is the guilty party in this mess?  Certainly we're aware of the problems involving Registerfly that have been ongoing under the nose of ICANN for more than a year, but what about the role of ICANN and the actions of Frank Fowlie and Mike Zupke?... After all, Registerfly was "unjustly enriched" by the ICANN Accreditation the entire time Registerfly was conducting in the breaches mentioned in the letter.

What about the lost revenue and stolen domains?  Who is liable and which party is responsible?  Based on the information state in the breach letter and in Mr. Zupke's response above, ICANN was well aware of the situation and failed to take affirmative action... Doesn't this make you wonder if ICANN  is almost fully responsible for the monetary damages caused by the actions of their Accredited Registrar, Registerfly?  So what is ICANN's roll as an accredited registrar?

What about Enom?

Considering the fact that Registerfly was in fact a domain Reseller for Enom, what was Enom's roll in all this? 

Based solely on my personal opinion and after discovering the Verisign issued notice on July 27, 2006 requesting that registrars must be on the EPP platform, (which is the system of issuing authorization codes to top level domain names) by October 28, it was a little unclear as to the deadline of domain names already registered. Verisign simply encouraged the accredited registrars to migrate to EPP in advance of the RRP decommission date of October 28, 2006.  However, there was no stated deadline for this migration or population of these codes.  Meaning, a registrar could essentially be on the EPP Platform but have failed to have populated the existing names with authorization codes.

After understanding that resellers have all their domain name information populated automatically from ICANN Accredited Registrars, they have very little control of things such as Transfer Authorization Codes, it is then the sole responsibility of the providing registrar to supply these authorization codes to populate these fields in the reseller's customer interface.  Although there were problems with Regiserfly prior to this, it really started getting worse with transfers after the October 28 deadline.  Could there possibly been a problem within Enom that prevented the supplying the codes?  This certainly is an interesting thought.

Speculation on Authorization Codes

When a customer would call into Registerfly and request and authorization code, Registerfly support would tell them that they cannot provide these and that they had to call Enom to requested the Authorization, (EPP) code.  So the now even angrier customer would call Enom and Enom would give this customer their auth. code... all the while making it's resellers like Registerfly look bad, while Enom looked like a savior.  Why wasn't the code showing in the available field to the customer?  Pure speculation would make you wonder if Enom couldn't have been a catalyst in the final fall of Registerfly.

Registerfly Today

As John and Glenn at Registerfly have in fact contacted me and offered support to our users at Registerflies.com, they've failed to come through with the statement that was requested and promised.  Are these guys for real?  That's something we are going to have to see with their actions.  As it sits, Kevin Medina has indeed been fired and is being forced to sell his shares in the company.  ICANN during the Registerfly scandal, has still not done their intended on-site audit. 

So how is your intellectual property being protected and where are the checks and balances in ICANN?.. The public demands some answers! I request everyone here to submit this story to Anderson Cooper 360 and let's get this on National Televised News.  There's a lot here that needs to be exposed and Anderson Cooper will do it!

Please join us in the Registerflies.com CHAT ROOM for the latest discussion. 

Please also see these other articles of interest:

Frank Fowlies Blog

TheRegister.co.uk 

Registerfly Reviews 

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linda34 - the flyaway register Registered | 2007-02-22 04:29:45
There is a very interesting article someone wrote about registerfly:

Registerfly Debacle: The New World Orders Ultimate Reigns of Hell.

http://www.xenacarpenter.info/2007/02/registerfly_deb.html
MikeInMass - Wonderful (not) Registered | 2007-02-22 06:26:10
So here we all sit again waiting to get our domains away from the hostages and noto new hope in sight.
jaks - What happens if? Registered | 2007-02-22 06:32:22
Ok, say ICANN does revoke RF's Accreditation, what does that mean for us customers? What happens to our domains?
dnsportugal Registered | 2007-02-22 08:08:28
Well, they should be transfered to another registrar, that's called an ICANN-sponsored transfer. From then on we would be able to transfer then to wherever we want.

if only ICANN had started the accreditation revocation process siz months ago...
MikeInMass - Why can't ICANN do what ENOM Registered | 2007-02-22 07:29:41
I had 2 domains stuck in the RF mess and Ithey were ENOM domain registrations. My fax request to ENOM to get them out of RF and into my ENOM account was successful even though I could not get a transfer code from RF.

Now why cant't ICANN offer the same service to all of us hostages and get us our ot of this mess??
dnsportugal - That's the criminal-police di Registered | 2007-02-22 08:13:42
Well i guess that's just the same problem as police officers dealing with criminals.

ICANN must abide by the rules ( though they should have act long ago ) while the felons don't give a shit about it...
mrpaco - Icann only want's their money Registered | 2007-02-22 08:32:47
Icann has only acted after RF stopped to pay them, they don't seem to care about registrants, they care about ICANN and registry fees
rajput Registered | 2007-02-22 08:43:03
better solutions is only that ICANN should force the:

registerfly to unlock all domains
ENOM to provide Auth Codes to all hostages as they definately have these codes as they were the actuall registrar.

If these above 2 steps possitive...... we all can transfer our domains away. Please try to force ICANN to do it
TLinson - Thanks Admin Registered | 2007-02-22 08:43:37
Thank you so much for the detailed info Admin, at least SOMEBODY is talking...

BTW, at this moment, 8:42 A.M. CST, the Registerfly.com site is down once again...
TLinson - rajput is right, but..... Registered | 2007-02-22 08:48:14
rajput is right, but, why wouldf Registerfly be so quick to help all of their former customers leave. Their business is now doomed, and they have no customers left to make any future monies.

If ICANN isn't going to do anything but strip their accreditation, where's the motivation for Registerfly to work so hard to help all of their customers leave?

Not a pretty thought eh?
rajput - What will happen next? Registered | 2007-02-22 09:18:08
Our business is really in danger now & we are suffering badly. Please help us. I am a patient of heart trouble & really cant afford the stress which am facing these days. If the situation remains, I will be no more. we are really suffering as 59 domains at registefly. many expired. dont know what to do
can anybody help me?

Please tell me how can I get Auth codes from them as my domain pannel not showing the auth codes. I have tried to unlock my domains & they show staus UNLOCKED but at whois they still appear LOCKED.

Please provide me e-mail of Mark and Michael???????

Anybody have the idea........ all will be perfect at registerfy soon?
any estimate of time?
TLinson - ...all we can do now. Registered | 2007-02-22 10:17:11
I'm certainly no expert rajput, but I have been registering websites since 1994 so I do have a bit of experience - albeit never with a service (or lack thereof) such as what Registerfly has displayed.

ICANN is applying pressure, and this story is getting coverage all over the Internet, so it appears to me that eventually things will be set right. Calls to registerfly are not working, if you sue you may get youtr money back but your domains could be lost.

Sadly, it seems the only thing we can do at this point is wait patiently. I believe that we will begin to see progress in the next day or two and I have renewed hope that all will return to normal in the next 2 weeks.

I Hope.....
shoden - Auth codes won't help. Registered | 2007-02-22 10:20:14
FYI: Even with Auth codes, domains won't transfer. I get an error after providing my phone number and choosing confirm when it comes to the last step in the transfer process.

I've moved 19 domains in the last month without an issue, since yesterday it seems like regfly is starting to eliminate any transfers.
shoden - Error Registered | 2007-02-22 10:21:46
The error which occurred was:

Though you approved this transfer request, an error was encountered while attempting to process it. Please contact RegisterFly.com, inc. to check the status of your transfer. Thank you.
kimvette - Protect your domains RIGHT NOW Registered | 2007-02-22 10:55:27
OK I posted this a bunch of times last night but I'll do it again, and I will keep posting it to the realtime chat periodically as well.

To protect your domains do the following:

1. Log into your Registerfly account immediately
2. Go to Manage Domains
3. Click "All" at the bottom
4. Take a screenshot. .Take several if you have enough domains to make the page scroll
5. Run a whois on each domain, capturing the output to a log file
6. Print out your screenshots AND save the to multiple places (e.g., burn them to TWO CD or floppies or USB/flash drives, multiple copies on your hard drive)

This way ,if registerFly DOES lose your domain, you can turn to ICANN and WIPO to get them back.

If you do not know how to make screenshots, stand by and I will post a tutorial shortly. I will write it up for only Windows novices because I presume that Linux and Mac users are savvy enough to accomplish it.
admin - Admin Update Super Administrator | 2007-02-22 11:10:58
Follks, just wanted to offer a quick update as I know there are a lot of questions and concerns about what's going on.

Glenn did in fact contact me and they are reviewing a statement to be published on this website

It's my understanding that the servers and data have been under constant attack by Kevin Medina and their team is working to correct any and all issues related to the safety of your domain names.

A question was asked as to why Registerfly would try to save anything at all... because at this point the've lost everything anyway. It's my understanding that the two individuals that are now in control of Registerfly are sincere about repairing the situation and securing the domain names that can be salvaged for thier customers. They fully understand that there's a good chance of losing the brand of Registerfly, however they stated to me that whether they save it or not, their primary concern is to get the customers their names and allow then to transfer out. They expressed to me that if Registerfly cannot be brought back, and they go broke trying... at least they know they've done the right thing.

The support forms you are sending in are being addressed and they are being worked on. Sometimes it may be a quick phone call or an email letting us know they've been received... at the same time, they are training their staff and dealing with situation like the Breach handed down from ICANN.

There is expected to be a public statement made on this very soon. Please stay tuned for the statement from Registerfly. In the mean time, muster up enough patience to hang in there as this continues to unfold.

I want to add to this that I'm not taking sides in this issue. The effort put forth in this site is for you and it's likely that it's going to produce many changes regarding the safety of our intellectual properties and our rights as domain owners and webmasters.

Thank you all for your continued support and patience is this.
ebiz1 - The Big Unanswered Question... Registered | 2007-02-22 11:08:10
The Big Unanswered Question...

So far no one has anwered the horrific question of what happens to RFs domain names if everything collapses. Does ICANN have record of all these domains, or are they only in RFs databases? In other words, what happens if RFs databases are simply erased?

Someone mentioned in that in the Registrar Accredidation Agreement that ICANN could demand a data dump of all records. That seems to indicate ICANN doesn't have record of a Registrar's domains. At this point we should all be DEMANDING that ICANN take possession of the domain records.

So does anyone know for certain where domain records are actually stored??
sjwitz - Perhaps another restraining or Registered | 2007-02-22 11:14:12
Appreciate the update. Thank you again for all of your efforts. :-)

It's my understanding that the servers and data have been under constant attack by Kevin Medina and their team is working to correct any and all issues related to the safety of your domain names.

Could counsel for R'Fly get a new emergency restraining order against Medina to get him to stop hacking into the system...?
revelationdesign Registered | 2007-02-22 11:30:23
The next time you talk to them, please tell them to:

If they have proof Kevin is attacking them, call the POLICE and have the man arrested.

Tell them to TURN OFF their bloody ordering system and make an announcement ON THEIR WEBSITE.
kungfucoach - tickets, tickets, but nothing Registered | 2007-02-22 11:30:46
Thanks to the admin for this platform here. Too bad that I didn't find it earlier :-(

For now I have at least saved screenshots of my 60+ domain portfolio at registerfly. Have been writing support tickets, sending e-mails, faxes since January, have submitted the form here from registerflies, but absolutely nothing happens. No quick phone call, no e-mail, nothing.

Domains are stuck in renewal/transfer for almost two months, have expired by now. Domain names I have used as reference in published books.

...
revelationdesign Registered | 2007-02-22 11:38:33
Just in case anyone was wondering. I asked a question on WHT about what happens to our domain names if RF goes away. I received an answer from a reliable source:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stargate.com
If a Registrar loses their accreditation or goes out of business ICANN has provisions in their agreements to ensure the domains will be manageable with other Registrars.

-Tom
ebiz1 - good to know Registered | 2007-02-22 11:54:46
Quote:
If a Registrar loses their accreditation or goes out of business ICANN has provisions in their agreements to ensure the domains will be manageable with other Registrars.

Well, that offers some degree of comfort for domain names that aren't due to expire for awhile. We should hope for the very quick demise of RF then. Sure seems like ICANN should have some power to stop RF domain names from expiring or being re-registered until this sorts itself out.
zakofrax Registered | 2007-02-22 11:49:02
None of that help the people who have had their whois data changed to people who work for Registerfly. Those domains have been stolen and them being unlocked etc... will only help the criminals transfers the domains away to another register never to be seen again by the owners. RF says to change the whois data back yourself but how can you when they did not renew domains that were paid for. and then Enom could not care and does not reply to support(I guess they are have decided that they will make more money from auctioning the domains when they come out of redemtion then trying to get new customers)
Evrery delay they create with no action but a few words about how they can not do anything( for another week (but they then tell you to do it yourself, If they can not update their own database then how are we supposed to?)
Well more time the better it is for them but the worse it is for us as we watch more domains being lost to some other buyer when they come out of redemtion or our customers take the loss of their domain out on you (and you end up in court for RF's,Enoms's and Icann's actions or you spend a ton of money on back up plans that probably will not work(try to catch your domain when it is lost does not help if Enom keeps it for themselves to auction off/ Or try to charge you huge amount of money for your own property (which is fraud in the case of a stolen car etc....) etc........etc....... etc........
gelo Registered | 2007-02-22 12:08:54
The contact info for one of my domain at Registerfly is all blanc! Whatever I try to do with this domain via domain management panel it always results in some kind of error... What doesn that mean?
jdale - Blank domain info Registered | 2007-02-22 12:52:58
Gelo,

You need to go to www.viewwhois.com and see who the registrar on record for the domain in question is. All of mine that showed as blank were actually with enom. Contact enom and they will set up an account for you that you can access.
dclarktcco - Who Owns Registerfly Registered | 2007-02-22 12:28:16
revelationdesign wrote:
The next time you talk to them, please tell them to:

If they have proof Kevin is attacking them, call the POLICE and have the man arrested.

Tell them to TURN OFF their bloody ordering system and make an announcement ON THEIR WEBSITE.


Something not being reiterated: Kevin OWNS 50% of the company. He may have been fired and a lawsuit filed, does not take away those ownership rights. Remember, we are only getting one side of the story (and how good is that information?) Seeing is believing! ICANN cannot take away just Kevin's rights, it is one company and has no legal rights except for their agreement, which names the company as a whole.
SkipCard - Kevin must be a hacking god! Registered | 2007-02-22 12:29:33
He's so good a hacker that he--
1) keeps Equifax from renewing the SSL certificate,
2) keeps the RF site just a dysfunctional as it was before he was fired and the great fix-of-everything began, AND
3) keeps RF from e-mailing or posting any information DIRECTLY to customers.

Then again, he's apparently not good enough to keep the RF site from continuing to accept money, so there's at least something he can't do.
gelo - re: Blank domain info Registered | 2007-02-22 12:59:11
jdale wrote:
Gelo,

You need to go to www.viewwhois.com and see who the registrar on record for the domain in question is. All of mine that showed as blank were actually with enom. Contact enom and they will set up an account for you that you can access.

Thanks, jdale! I checked it and it says that the registrar is Registerfly along with their contact details etc. It also says it was recently renewed though I didn't renew it (I had an error message when trying to do it). Looks like it was stolen by Registerfly... Any idea what else can I do?
lardog - whois history - they do not ca Registered | 2007-02-22 13:00:53
One thing that may help some is domaintools.com has whois history available for paying members. While sometimes there are not records for domains that are not real active, most of my domains have history.

This can help prove that you at least once owned the domain(s).


Sorry, IMHO if RF was doing everything in their power, they would hire admins that could block any attacks as well as implement better hardware to stop any other type of attack.
They would also hire enough temp help to catch up.
I still do not have any of my issues resolved. So no...they really do not care enough! (btw. I have been with them since their first couple of months in business...my bad)
TLinson - Bullshiat Meter Broken... Registered | 2007-02-22 13:02:18
Admin says:
They fully understand that there's a good chance of losing the brand of Registerfly, however they stated to me that whether they save it or not, their primary concern is to get the customers their names and allow then to transfer out. They expressed to me that if Registerfly cannot be brought back, and they go broke trying... at least they know they've done the right thing.

This sounds wonderful, obviously, to all of us that are suffering through the Registrfly debacle... and i want so desperately to believe it. However, I have to tell you, while reading that statement my official Bullshiat Meter pegged so hard the glass display broke.....

Anyway, my apologies for being so negative, I know you are doing all you can to keep spirits up while providing info Admin, and I thank you so very much for that.
jaks - There goes another domain? Registered | 2007-02-22 13:18:28
TICK TOCK TICK TOCK

There goes another how many thousand domains?

Way to go RF...
Idlewizard Registered | 2007-02-22 13:54:14
Quote:
He's so good a hacker that he--
1) keeps Equifax from renewing the SSL certificate,
2) keeps the RF site just a dysfunctional as it was before he was fired and the great fix-of-everything began, AND
3) keeps RF from e-mailing or posting any information DIRECTLY to customers.


Certificates are not given to just anyone who asks, particularly not by the older, more reputable authorities like Verisign and Equifax. If Kevin Medina was the authorized contact when the certificate was issued, I can see how it might be difficult and take some time to get it renewed.

The certificate is also the least of the problems at the moment. It contributes to the bad appearance, but your communications with the site are still encrypted and secure, even with the certificate having expired. I'd much rather see them fix everything else first.
SkipCard - Yes, but back to the point Registered | 2007-02-23 19:06:55
You're right, of course, that I may not have picked the best details to illustrate it, but my point was that this "Kevin" (whoever he may be, if he even exists) is being written off as the cause of every problem.

This behavior is too reminiscent of the Lucy Lawless Simpson's episode in which her character says, of inconsistencies in the Xena series: "Well, whenever you notice something like that, a wizard did it."

Somehow that relates to my point, which was that I'm an agnostic as regards "Kevin"; I'm not sure he exists. Or, if he does, I'm not sure he has the "phenomenal cosmic powers" attributed to him, or even the "itty bitty living space." (Someone on this site posted that they found him in an office the size of a closet.)

Anyhow, this all seems a little too convenient. Sorry if the sarcasm in my other post didn't come through.
foxtrot - Simple Funtions Registered | 2007-02-22 15:28:41
I have hundreds of Domain Names in Registerfly accounts at moment.

I have seen the best of RF service over the years, and unfortunately, seen a great deal of their worst service also.

It strikes me that there must be many negligent parties in this debacle, especially when you consider how long this has been allowed to continue. I believe that ENOM also havce a lot to answer for, and hopefully someone is capable of getting to the bottom of this in due course!

My concern is, that I am quite prepared to leave my names with RF, and have not attempted to transfer any of them out. What I am very annoyed about is that I can't change nameservers on some names I am trying to manage. I would presume this would be a simple matter to allow this function to work?

If I am convinced that any new and future management of RF are acting in good faith, and in the best interests of their customers, I have absolutely no problem in continuing to purchase names from them.

For now, I would like just to be able to change nameservers!
leming - But.... Registered | 2007-02-22 16:15:05
Do you really think they will ever recover from this? The best thing they caould hope for at this time is to have someone like GoDaddy make an offer to buy their inventory and put them out of OUR misery!
downdoggy - See the full doggy image. Registered | 2007-02-22 15:54:32
avatar See Full image here: http://downdoggy.com/images/registerflydog2.jpg
Down Doggy, Bad Doggy
dntech - CONTACT ICANN TODAY Registered | 2007-02-22 16:32:28
Get ICANNFLY to get off their ass and do something now!

http://reports.internic.net/cgi/registrars/problem-report.cgi
A Cherry On Top - re: The Big Unanswered Questio Registered | 2007-02-22 18:17:32
ebiz1 wrote:
The Big Unanswered Question...

So far no one has anwered the horrific question of what happens to RFs domain names if everything collapses. Does ICANN have record of all these domains, or are they only in RFs databases? In other words, what happens if RFs databases are simply erased?

Someone mentioned in that in the Registrar Accredidation Agreement that ICANN could demand a data dump of all records. That seems to indicate ICANN doesn't have record of a Registrar's domains. At this point we should all be DEMANDING that ICANN take possession of the domain records.

So does anyone know for certain where domain records are actually stored??


Please answer this post as I also want to know about what happens if RF collapse?
ebiz1 - re: re: The Big Unanswered Que Registered | 2007-02-22 18:56:26
A Cherry On Top wrote:
[quote=ebiz1]The Big Unanswered Question...
Please answer this post as I also want to know about what happens if RF collapse?

I did some looking into this myself, and as I understand it, the original records are kept together on servers designated by the authorities (ICANN/etc). Verisign operates the servers that hold the .com records, for instance. Accredited Registrars like RF simply have rights to add or edit those records.

So while the records wouldn't disappear with RF, I think it's still possible, though hopefully remote, that someone at RF (ie, Kevin Medina) could malicously alter those records (as they have in the past, like changing the owner contact). I don't know if RF has rights to outright delete them; they may need to actually expire (anyone know for sure?).

Someone may correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I gathered from a little research on Wikipedia.
rajput - Please start a movement Registered | 2007-02-23 02:09:56
I must advice all of you to send e-mail to ICANN accredit@icann.org & force them to plan an immediate solution for all of the hostages @ RFly without waisting the time anymore. ICANN is the only source for us which can do something otherwise we will be no more with our domains at RFly.
If anybody have the e-mail address of higher authorities of ICANN please update here immediately.
ADMIN please, update all of us with the e-mails of ICANN authorities. We all are unable to sleep at nights due to RFly so why the so called authority ICANN should sleep? ICANN is really not playing its role in this worst situation & they should be ashamed of all.
Stanley - Domains just missing... Registered | 2007-02-23 23:04:34
If only it were as simple as taking a screenshot, however in my case I've had domains just flat missing from the RF control panel for months...

gone just....poof!!!
nobaloney - re: Registered | 2007-02-23 23:22:43
Idlewizard wrote:
Quote:
He's so good a hacker that he--
1) keeps Equifax from renewing the SSL certificate,
2) keeps the RF site just a dysfunctional as it was before he was fired and the great fix-of-everything began, AND
3) keeps RF from e-mailing or posting any information DIRECTLY to customers.


Certificates are not given to just anyone who asks, particularly not by the older, more reputable authorities like Verisign and Equifax. If Kevin Medina was the authorized contact when the certificate was issued, I can see how it might be difficult and take some time to get it renewed.

The certificate is also the least of the problems at the moment. It contributes to the bad appearance, but your communications with the site are still encrypted and secure, even with the certificate having expired. I'd much rather see them fix everything else first.

Well, actually ... Those particular Equifax root certificates are used for the GeoTrust RapidSSL certs; GeoTrust was recently purchased by Verisign, and is now run out of the Thawte offices in So. Africa.

And all you need to do to get a cert issued or renewed is have control over the email address(es) listed in whois, or alternatively one of several other email addresses, such as ssladmin@.

I don't know if RegisterFly was reselling RapidSSL certs or not (we were, but we cancelled our written agreement after they were bought by Verisign), but written agreements with GeoTrust with a reasonable cash deposit could certainly get low enough prices to sell for $9.95; it did for us and I'm sure it could for RegisterFly as well.
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