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Tuesday, 24 April 2007
As the world keeps turning we've received word that Kevin Medina is looking to sell Registerfly for a cool million.  Recently and insider (hearsay until verified) told us that Registerfly is in the process of being sold along with all of it's information and of course all of yours.  Based on the fact that there are court orders and lawsuits in progress I have to question the validity of this supposed fire sale by Kevin Medina however, I was asked to post this due to the time constraints many of the registrants are under.

Problems with Registerfly being sold

While still unverified at the moment, an undisclosed source claims that Registerfly is being sold for just over 1 million dollars to a Paul Krieg CogitGroup.com which is supposedly going to be a quick sale of all the assets of Registerfly.  CogitGroup.com was mentioned in an earlier post as a company that has provided domain monetization income for Registerfly and Kevin Medina.  You would think with all the publicity that this debacle has received, that a potential buyer would know what's going on.  On the other hand, customer data and contact information has value, not to mention the domain names and that wonderful interface that Kevin at Registerfly has built.

Under the circumstances of a Class Action lawsuit pending as well as the Temporary Restraining order issued that demands Kevin to give up the data to ICANN, it would seem that this isn't the time to sell Registerfly nor would it be in the best interest of the buyer because they would buy buying a lawsuit as well as everything else.  To this day ICANN has still not received the data that the restraining order outlines.

Domain name debacle

This entire fiasco has been an eye opener for many.  We've discovered that many of us are in the dark when it comes to how the domain name system works and we're finding just how corrupt the system is.  The biggest eye opener of all is the fact that there is no where to turn if there are problems.  All of our complaints have really done very little in way of getting results from sources we thought to be standing behind the registrant.  Any of the complaint sources in regards to domain names that are known as industry standard are simply forwarded to the Registrar of record so there really is no checks and balances.  Let's hope this changes all that.

As the public is growing more and more aware of the loopholes exploited by Registerfly, folks out there are still losing domain names and businesses due this troubling debacle.  We're finding out that the problems are much greater than Registerfly alone but it's Registerfly that has chosen to pave this road.

As far as the Registerfly selling their information... use it for entertainment purposes until it can be verified.  I will keep everyone up to date of anything new that comes into my office.


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lardog - Who would...? Registered | 2007-04-24 13:27:12
I question the intellect and integrity of anyone who would knowingly purchase a company who is openly fraudulent.
whizz - Not very smart Registered | 2007-04-24 13:29:00
At some point the law will catch up with what's going on and the longer that takes, the bigger the bite will be on whoever is guilty.

Selling the business under these circumstances is not smart - buying it is even less smart, to the point of downright stupid.

The smart thing to do would be to make sure the D&O insurance is in effect and push the business into Chapter 11. That would shaft the maximum number of people and provide the only hope of defence for the owner(s) of the business.

I would not be surprised if that is exactly how a sale of this business eventually wound up getting staged. I'm also betting that ICANN never protected its interests, or those of domain name holders against a Chapter 11 situation with a Registrar.

We've still got 20 names stuck at RF but at least we have proof of ownership going back to the original registrations so that when this really does explode, we can defend our rights.

It is sick that RF is still allowed to collect money from people. Has anyone turned in their online transaction providers for handling what would appear to be fraudulent transactions?

That would turn off Kevin's spigot really fast ... imagine PayPal threated with a potential FTC investigation ... ha ha.

It would also seem that the attorney filing the class action had better file for an injunction against the sale of this business.
Buggered - Start our own Co-op Domain Nam Registered | 2007-04-24 13:36:52
Any thoughts of starting our own accredited domain name company?

Set it up as a non-prof co-op for ourselves. We would all have a vested interest in the health, honesty and prosperity of the co-op!

We would never have to deal with this sort of corruption, fraud or inside incompetence again!
foxtrot - Re: Own Domain Name Co-op Registered | 2007-04-24 13:46:37
Great Idea Buggered ...

Cut out the big corps and use our numbers for best deals.

If run properly, would work brilliantly!

Let me know if you get serious about this!
mybagofjems - info on the pig krieg Registered | 2007-04-24 13:47:47
straight from the HORSES MOUTH... meaning ICANN'T

http://www.icann-studienkreis.net/prague2006/Krieg.pdf
RichF - Sale of Assets Registered | 2007-04-24 15:11:40
I am not a lawyer, and perhaps if anyone is they can comment on this. I believe that when a company is sold for just its assets, the liabilities do not go along for the ride. Essentially if Medina sells the assents and then declares the company bankrupt and without assets, then I don't thnink anyone can go after him personally. They can go after the company, but the company will be out of business. So in the previous comments by whizz, it is mentioned that buying the company is stupid. But I wonder if anyone is buying the compnay really. I think what was mentioned is taht they are just buying the assets. What are the assets? This could just be some computers, a list of customers (maybe the most valuable to another domain hosting provider) and maybe some written software. The liabilites stay with the defunct company which I guess could mean with nobody. Anyway, if a lawyer, assuming there is one out there reading this can comment, it would help the readers of this site.
whizz - Sale of Assets? Registered | 2007-04-25 11:09:19
I too am not a lawyer but I have worked with many on the purchase and sale of companies and corporate assets.

First, if the entire company is sold, the liabilities go with it. It's the old "buyer beware" legal situation.

Second, if you sell assets in a company that is under litigation or has potential claims against it (liabilities), then as an officer (private or public) you can be personally liable for those liabilities if you gut the company of any assets. D&O insurance will NOT generally cover you in those circumstances.

Finally, I saw Paul's posting:

Thanks for clarifying your position. I was having a hard time believing any sane person would be even part way down a deal for a festering mess like RF.

One point though, I do not know what electronic communication you are speaking of that has been "illegally intercepted". If you mean email, then there is nothing - absolutely nothing - that is confidential about email on the Internet. It is intercepted regularly and unless you encrypt it, the contents are very much in the public domain.

How people use the information might be illegal, but simply having it or seeing it can't really be said to be illegal.

For my part, I personally have never seen any communication from you - except what you posted here. I am, however, glad to see you are reading the postings on this web site, if indeed you are in a position to ever purchase a mess like RF.

With respect to setting up a domain name owner's cooperative to form a registrar and more tightly control the situation, the only catch I would see is raising the rather hefty up front fee that ICANN'T would require. Then there are the servers and backup infrastructure to fund and maintain. I'm also certain that ICANN'T would probably put such an organization through the toughest review possible before granting the accreditation - after all, it could undermine its business model of collecting fees from multiple registrars out there ...

Good idea though - but, for me, the block would not be the cost of the server/software infrastructure - or even getting agreements in place on the financial side. It would be the thought of paying ICANN'T a whacking great big pile of cash ... I shudder at the thought of feeing that sacred cow.
Kathie - re: Sale of Assets Registered | 2007-04-24 16:10:05
RichF wrote:
I believe that when a company is sold for just its assets, the liabilities do not go along for the ride.


I hope someone with more knowledge will respond, but it seems that a transfer such as this would be an attempt to defraud people like us ... and that -- I assume -- would be a "no-no" in bankrupcty court, under civil rules and criminally.
captainproton - re: Sale of Assets Registered | 2007-04-25 03:03:44
That would only be after he was in Bankruptcy court. I do think that the court would look very unfavorably upon Registerfly and their potential business partner if RF handed over data to them and not ICANN in defiance of the TRO

The FBI haven't done anything, the credit card companies haven't done anything, and ICANN **still** isn't doing anything.

Really, ICANN needs to grow a spine here. They should have had the Feds grabbing computers *yesterday* when they didn't come through with the restraining order.

Maybe Clark Dummitt needs to follow through with his own restraining order to stop ICANNs continuing incompetence from hurting us all.
Kathie - re: Start our own Co-op Domain Registered | 2007-04-24 16:17:43
Buggered wrote:
Any thoughts of starting our own accredited domain name company?


I think it's a great idea. There would have to be plenty of safeguards ...
pfkrieg - Speculation Registered | 2007-04-24 19:48:53
I am Paul Krieg, the principal of Cogit Group. Some of my business communications were electronically (and illegally) intercepted - and dramatically misrepresented.

Any speculation about my purchase of Registerfly is premature - at best. There is no agreement, and no transaction.

I am a former executive with Dotster, and have worked with a variety of registries and registrars. I have witnessed the problems at RegisterFly, and suffered (minor) personal losses.

If I were to ever be associated with RegisterFly, it would only be on the condition that registrants rights be returned to them as quickly as humanly possible, and to attempt to rebuild the organization that provided value to customers and thrived.
captainproton Registered | 2007-04-24 20:41:57
You know, I think everyone of us would be on board if there would be an "owning up" to the domain names that were lost which would help us get some of them back. As it stands, Registerfly continues to steal everyday.

I honestly don't see how Registerfly will ever have a good name. Maybe only among the ignorant. And so much as the interface goes, clearly it is filled with backdoors that hackers can use to get in. So I don't see much value there.

Other than a customer list and some office chairs, I really don't see how anything can be salvaged.
admin - Thank you Paul for dropping in Super Administrator | 2007-04-25 22:13:09
Thank you Paul for dropping in and clarifying this.

You mention "If I were to ever be associated with RegisterFly, it would only be on the condition that registrants rights be returned to them as quickly as humanly possible, and to attempt to rebuild the organization that provided value to customers and thrived." It's my understanding that you've had a relationship with Registerfly and continue to monetize domains parked by Registerfly.

Purchasing Registerfly isn't exactly a bad thing if it's something you can turn around and provide an environment for these people to get out of Registerfly and regain control of their domain names.

Personally, I don't know anything about you or your business but the bottom line here is people just want their domain names. So if you are serious about purchasing or considering to purchase Registerfly then I feel it's important that you communicate this to the people who are going to be directly effected by this purchase. If a purchase were to be successful and I were the one to purchase Registerfly, I would want the support of this community in doing so. Just a thought.

Registerfly, without a doubt has the nicest interface in the business. None of it ever really worked but that could have been more management than coding. Either way all any of these people want is honesty and integrity and the ability to pay for a service that will actually be performed and this hasn't been the case with Registerfly and we all know this.

Thank you Paul for stopping by.
Buggered - re: Start our own Co-op Domain Registered | 2007-04-24 23:04:40
I'm just throwing out ideas. I know co-ops seem to work and work well. Just look at the REI.com co-op or any mutually run entities such as credit unions.

Our local water where I live is provided by a mutually run water company. We all have stock and a vote within the company.

I don't think I could be worst then what we all have and are still experiencing.

There may be a Registerfiles member that could get the ball rolling!
ajmurphy1 Registered | 2007-04-24 23:53:42
After trying to renew, or transfer one of my clients domain names for the past three plus months now, the domain finally expired today and has now joined all the others that have been stolen. It now has a nice, shiny new parking page, complete with advertisements and links to other sites that are my clients competitors. You can imagine that my client is not very pleased about this to say the least. Now I have a potential law suite against me waiting in the shadows. And you can bet that if I have a law suite against me it will wind up actually HURTING ME, unlike Kevie boy. For the past month, all ICANN ever did was forward my emails on to eNom. eNom was supposedly the registrar of record since my clients domain was one of those registered before Fly lost their resellers agreement with eNom. I wrote to eNom a bunch of times, I opened up an eNom account, just like they told me to do, and I sent them my drivers license and even my state ID. A month went by and I heard nothing from eNom and they never pushed my domain into my new eNom account like they promised. I wrote to them during this time and didn't receive any reply back. Then I wrote to ICANN AGAIN. ICANN wrote back to me and said they were forwarding my email to eNom again (standard response from ICANN I guess). Then eNom wrote to me (they only seem to write back as a response to when ICANN forwards my mail to them) This time I got a response from a different person at eNom, apologizing for all the problems but saying that they never received my drivers license and state ID card. They asked me to resend it, so I did. After resending my personal information to eNom, a second time, I never heard anything more form them. Today the domain finally expired. This morning I went to email ICANN again, about all of this, and I received an email back saying my ticket had been closed, even though my problem hasn't even been resolved. So today I had to open up a new ticket with ICANN. It's a marry-go-round of tricks and games - that's all it is. I think eNom and ICANN are both in on this entire scam. I think they are all a part of the same picture. Also, I wonder if the MOB might be involved here? All of what is happening is just too bazaar for any other rational explanation. Why aren't government agencies doing ANYTHING? Why aren't the media picking up on this? Why is ICANN just standing by and watching and letting all of this continue to go on, and on, and on and on? I emailed Fox and CNN several times and so far they haven't mentioned a single word about this, even though it's the biggest news story ever in Internet land. I mean, this is having an effect on thousands and thousands of domain names and taking tons of websites off line. It's ongoing theft and fraud and we continue to hear stories about Anna Nicole Smith but not one word about all of this stuff on any of the news channels? I think something really odd is going on here - something much bigger the we all see right now and it's not just Kevin and RegisterFly. There has to be something much bigger happening right now. There are just too many cover-ups,, too many scams, and it is all happening right out in the open as if none of them even cares. Something is just really, really, really weird about all of this and the system is not functioning normally, the way it’s supposed to. The entire system, from the ground up seems to be totally broken! You know, if I burned as many people as Kevin has, I’d be six feet under by now. I would never be able to get away with even a small fraction of what this guy has not only gotten away with but continues to get away with. How is this possible? Again, I really have to ask the question – does he have mob protection? Is the Mob behind this entire thing? I’m telling you all, something is just too weird here!!!!
LegalWorker - ICANN IN COURT APRIL 26th Registered | 2007-04-25 01:52:23
ICANN KNOWS THE WORLD IS WATCHING!

ICANN returns to Federal Court April 26th:

As part of April,16th [TRO]
(*Temporary Restraining Order)
against Registerfly.com ICANN said they would hope to prevail in having the said court mandated [TRO] (Temporary Restraining Order) extended.

(HOW CAN THEY NOT PREVAIL NOW THAT (RegisterFly.com) "KEVIN MEDINA HAS ACTED IN DEFIANCE AND HAS NOT COMPLIED AND ACTED UPON
THE COURTS PROVISON" stating clearly, [IMMEDIATELY WITHIN 48 HRS OF issuance of the APRIL I6th 2007 [TRO]*Temporary Restraining Order)

One would hope ICANN does the proper thing and formally requests that the Honourable Judge of Federal Court find,
Kevin Medina in "contempt of court" and have the authorities physically seize the database and record books that,
SHOULD have been turned over to ICANN as "COURT ORDERED WITHIN 48 HOURS OF ISSUANCE"
to help protect the unsuspecting public and domain registraints from said defendant Kevin Medina and registerfly.com.

Footnote: ICANN note "Time is of essence"to the innocent victims, please do hear there "outcry"
they are just seeking justice and the return of there stolen property in this ongoing universal Emergency.

ICANN KNOWS THE WORLD IS WATCHING!
nightflight Registered | 2007-04-25 03:30:02
The US law system and ICANN haven proven not be able, functional and competent enough to be trusted.

The global domain control should get forwarded to Swiss professionalism and credibility.

Switzerland has much more capable folks, a huge expertise in Banking and an efficient law system.

ICANN is junst a bunch of expensive and fully useless talkers and the G.W. Bush Boyz only know how to exploit their country and people with presenting false information and fake wars. Anything serious like Kathrina in New Orleans or even a tiny regfly criminal have shown their intelectual limits.

There are of course great Americans around, but those in control and charge of things at Enom, Verisign, ICANN etc would face prosecution if there is any law and justice in the US.

But as long as they can freely cream off alongside utter scum like Medina.

Well, this country is f**cked up!.
captainproton Registered | 2007-04-25 02:59:52
Swiss do not need to get involved. ICANN is overrated.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/24/icann_auerbach_interview_lisbon/

Besides, ICANN is easier to sue if it's on america. Whoever operates the TLD system shouldn't need to be sued in order to take care of the obvious.
ajmurphy1 Registered | 2007-04-25 02:39:30
I COULD NOT AGREE MORE!
nightflight - i vote for Switzerland Registered | 2007-04-25 04:28:53
It is Americans who screw up domain owners and they seem to be operating above the law.

I have zero confidence in US law, authorities and their policy.
admin - Our hand are tied Super Administrator | 2007-04-25 08:18:01
It's not Americans that screw it up as much as it's greed and personal gain that screw it up. Until people realize and one cannot rise up without taking their fellows with them, things like this will continue.

When people start living abundantly together and help each other to be successful, that's when things will change. As it stands now, it's an eye for an eye - dog eat dog world out there and when those steps taken in the direction of financial success of one consist of stepping on the backs and shoulders of another, there will always be problems such as this. It's not just Americans, it's all nations powered by greed.

It's amazing that people haven't realized that when you hurt someone else (step on them), you are hurting yourself.

So, let's not blame the Americans in all this, let's come up with a solution together that will benefit the entire community. The mention of a co-op is something that I think is a great idea and maybe there is something that we can do to put something like this together.

There have been various experiments with regards to co-operative real estate and they work. The reason it works is because people in the co-op will work together rather than compete against each other. Much more is accomplished in cooperation than will ever be accomplished in competition.
wzuberi - Sad Registered | 2007-04-25 07:45:06
This whole situation gets funnier every day, but it gets sadder too.

I've heard about blind justice, but blind law is just sad. Can't they see what's going on and can't anything be done to stop it?

There must be something!
Phoenix - re: Sale of Assets Registered | 2007-04-25 10:09:14
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RichF wrote:
The liabilites stay with the defunct company which I guess could mean with nobody. Anyway, if a lawyer, assuming there is one out there reading this can comment, it would help the readers of this site.


It depends what is being sold. If it's just the assets, or just the customers, then yes, liabilities stay with RegisterFly. If the entire company is being sold, liabilities go along as well.

But just the selling of assets isn't a bad thing. ICANN wad advocating for the mass transfer of domain names to another registrar.
nightflight - nuff' respect Registered | 2007-04-25 11:35:42
goes out to Andrew Bennett Spark,
Assistant Attorney General
Division of Economic Crimes
Florida Attorney General's Office.

he is now looking into the Medina Registerfly case.

ONE Note to the admin:

"It's not Americans that screw it up"

Don't get me wrong, there many good people in every country and more than certainly also in the US.

But this ICANN, Enom, Regly,VerIsign is a joint and strictly American failure.
Why does it take so long to stop a criminal minded dude like Medina from still committing fraud and theft to an International clientel.

This is strictly, domestic America 2007 as much as registerflies and others are doing very good jobs.
cymoo - advertiser's liablility Registered | 2007-04-25 15:46:41
avatar Something I would like to point out. There might be some type of liablility on the part of the advertisers's that are running ads on site that have been removed illegally from our control. Profiting from stolen property could be questioned. I have notified two or three advertisers and one removed an advertisement within an hour or less after I gave them verbal notice of the problem. I'm starting to keep track of the advertisements accurring on the site that was removed from my control and I will continue to monitior the site by tracing the id's of the ad links. I had many keywords that were ranked at the top of the major engines. I'm now going back into my trackers and server sources and coping them for review.
Stevek - nightflight = BASHING AMERICA Registered | 2007-04-25 16:14:59
Nightflight is your typical hate America liberal ranting and raving.

A pathetic liberal who enjoys bashing America and who truly hates it.

Liberalism is a mental disease and this scumbag fits the definition.
nightflight - scumbag Registered | 2007-04-26 03:59:39
Liberalism is a mental disease

It is good to know, that there are many Americans with intelligence, style, class, education and a feeling for common sense.

Obviously America has learnt, where Bush, Wolfie, Fredo and Dick have taken the country. For you this might take forever.

btw. there are also many Americans who wonder why regfly theft and fraud is still allowed to continue.
admin - Not a political debate Super Administrator | 2007-04-26 09:34:16
I ask that you please refrain from attacking each other. If you want to have a discussion, please take it into the forums. Thank you.
nightflight - justice Registered | 2007-04-26 14:42:03
no worries, all that has been critizised by me had been the failure of ICANN and official authorities within this regfly fraud.

That international regfly customers might have lost their confidence in US law systems should not be much of a surprise to anyone with intelligence.

If someone rejects such observations for statements like "Liberalism is a mental disease" or calling it "America bashing" and the sender "Scumbug".

That is not political ... :-) and i am certain, that many other regfly victims share my feeling about the state, that the US law system is in.

regfly is still up and running ...
captainproton - Registerfly strikes again! Registered | 2007-04-25 17:26:41
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/04/recovering_our_web_address.html

Hello, ICANN???
rashal313 - file complaint thru State Of N Registered | 2007-04-26 15:40:26
here is link to file complaint on State Of New Jersey comsumer protection web:

http://www.state.nj.us/lps/ca/ocp/ocpform.htm
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